I work on cars all week long, and while I enjoy the challenge some cars provide, most are routine repairs. For that reason, and a few others, the last thing I want to do on my weekend is to perform those routine repairs on my own cars.
A month or so ago, my Rodeo needed some brake work. I knew the linings were getting low, and it was due for another oil change. I took it in to the same shop my wife had used for her lube services for the past year or so. When I arrived, the service writer gave me an estimate of $225 to reline both front and rear brakes (disc/drum system). Of course, I understood that the rotors/drums needed to be checked and there may be other parts needed, so I wasn't holding them to this quote until they had a chance to look it over. I didn't expect any problems, though, since I had just looked them over myself a few months prior during the last oil change. I left the car with them, with the understanding they would call with a firm estimate.
A few hours after I dropped it off, the service manager called with a new quote of over $400. No new parts were needed...his quote was based on "how hard the job was", specifically resurfacing the front rotors. Please...he now wanted more just for the front job as I was originally quoted for both.
I told him that many manufacturers now recommended that rotors only be resurfaced if pulsation was present or damage was noted. Mine had neither...could he just reline the front?
No was the answer. We follow ASE guidelines. What? I didn't know that ASE established repair guidelines....
I wasn't going to push the issue. And I won't fault him for making shop policy. But will I go back to this shop?
No IS the answer.
I picked up the car and took it to another shop...one I had worked at part time for awhile, and one where I personally knew a few of the techs. Should have gone there first. I was given an upfront quote of $265 and paid $265. I stuck around for awhile to make sure there would be no problems that they would have to call me on later, then left the car for them to work on. I would be able to pick it up at the end of the day.
The real difference between these two shops was "service". The first treated me like I was just another number, while the second treated me like I was the only one doing business with them today. Which shop represents the norm, at least in my area?
Let's see...next case. My son was given a 1995 Ford Taurus to drive by his granddad. It had been sitting for a few years, and started only occassionally. One day, the trans started slipping in first/reverse rather badly. Once it got in gear it was fine...
I'm not a tranny guy, but from what I'd been told, it was likely a problem in the pump or valve body. Both are serviceable in the car. I decided to take it to a local trans shop...one associated with a national name...for a diagnosis. Now, I don't mind paying to find out what is wrong, but they offered to do it for free. Two days later, the shop called and said they had narrowed it down to "an internal problem" that would require trans removal and disassembly, at a cost of $475. That was 5 hours of time, according to the caller, and that translates to $95/hour...way out of line with my area.
Of course, it didn't include repair or reassembly.
I asked what diagnostic tests they had performed. A visual inspection of the tranny and fluid, a test drive, and a check for stored trouble codes. No pressure test, no tests of any REAL value. No wonder it was free....
They had the car for two days and couldn't tell me anymore than what I already knew. Sorry, but I'm not paying $475 to have it laying in peices on your workbench, only to be told that all it needed was a pump or seal replacement that could have been done in the car.
And we wonder why consumers consider us they way they do...
I hate to say it, but these are all cases of poor customer service. And that is what we do...we are a service business. The few of us that strive to provide a professional level of service to our customer often loose the battle to the many that don't. Is it any wonder why consumers view our credibility as they do?
Peter, 6 months ago | FlagI wanted to add a bit to this blog, just to clarify my own opinions on a few things...
First, my shop doesn't allow the techs to work on their own stuff, or I certainly would. Doing the work in the driveway is not an option for me...weekends are just TOO busy as it is. So, I took it to a local shop I knew and had confidence in. Or so I thought...until they tried to ream me. You see, I knew that price was WAY out of line with our area. I don't fault them for insisting that the rotors be resurfaced...heck, my shop does the same thing. And I don't fault them for refusing to do a "pad slap"...well within their rights. What I do fault them for is how they treated me as a customer. (They don't know I wrench or write for Motor Age by the way.)
I understand that many shops will compete by price just to get a customer in. But does that make it right? Why can't we sell on the quality of what we do? It has been my personal experience that most customers aren't concerned so much about price as they are VALUE...that is, are they getting more in the service/repair than the money that is being asked for in return? Those customers that do make their decision strictly on price alone are often the ones we are better off letting go down the road to the "discount" shop. And you all know the type of customer I'm referring to...
I deal with my customers frankly and honestly. I believe in the three "IDBIs" of being a mechanic:
I didn't buy it.
I didn't build it.
I didn't break it.
But I can fix it...and do it for a fair price. As a customer, I would like the same treatment...tell me up front what you need to do the job right and if it's reasonable, I'll let you have the job. I won't shop around. I'd rather be confident that the repair will be done properly, safely and by someone who knows what they are doing.
Heck, I didn't even ask for a senior discount!
car_doctor, 6 months ago | FlagIcouldn't have said it better than atobias did.. He has said exactly what I was thinking Ias I was reading it.
atobias, 6 months ago | FlagI guess I don't get it either. The only time I ever take my car to another shop is to shop them. I want to see how I'm treated, how much they charge, and the scope of work they find. If i'm not wanting to work on my own car but already know what it needs and how I want the work performed, then I let them know up front so I don't get this kind of run around. If the shop really thinks you are a "real" customer, they'll treat you different.
On the Rodeo. The only reason I can think they'd give the low quote would be to get you in the door. Callers are looking solely for price to base their decision on. They don't really want to know about the scope of the work, the detail, the quality of parts. They want the cheapest price and the warranty because, they want a quality job and pay as little as possible. It's up to each shop as to how they want to get customers to come into their facilities. Once there and an inspection is made then a solid quote can be made.
I understand not wanting to perform brake service without resurfacing the rotors. It is our shop policy to surface all brake surfaces while performing a brake job. In this case, where the client is telling me how perform the service, I would explain the reasons why I do it the way I do. If they are still adamant they want to pad slap it, I would strongly recommend OE pads and completely absolve myself of all warranties. Then when it comes back because it's noisey I would then perform the job it really should've had and charge the client the original money. Many times saving money is alot more expensive than spending a little more up front.
I can only assume the first shop didn't have an on the car brake lathe. If they did not, then remvoval of the rotors is an labor intensive function, requiring a much higher price.
As far as the Taurus, since the vehicle is 14 years old, mileage unknown, been sitting a long time, then put back into service, and now has a transmission operation issue on a known weak transmission, I too would've probably attacked it a different way. I would've made a clear determination that the transmission issue is internal. If it is, then I would've jumped to reman or rebuild as I wouldn't want to perform a ($500) repair then have to stand behind it when it bellies up completely. Furthermore, I don't understand what repair can be made on the front pump in the vehicle. Reseal, rebuild, or replacement, all require transmission removal as far as I know.
That being said, there are national franchise chains whose business model is remove the transmission, split the case so there are a 1,000 parts all over the bench then call the client and sell them what they should've been sold up front in the first place. These shops should be closed down, i still don't understand why every attorney general doesn't file claims against them.
Lastly, I may shop my competitors (including dealers), but I would always bring the vehicle to the shop I work for because it's just good business. The only reason I can think of having repairs performed elsewhere is to see the quality of parts and labor provided.
I just don't get it.
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